5.01.2014
The only Revolution: Lived, total, solidarity with the Global Neediest. I strongly suspect that there is only one true Revolution possible for the human species - past, present, future. And the only time it ever has been tried to my knowledge, is for several decades during and after the life of Jesus. That Revolution? Lived, total, solidarity with the Global Neediest. "The Golden Rule is to steadfastly have what millions cannot have," is how Gandhi said it. "Do unto others ALL that you would have them do unto you," is how Jesus Lived it, and how He or his followers, said it.
The only Revolution: Lived, total, solidarity with the Global Neediest. I strongly suspect that there is only one true Revolution possible for the human species - past, present, future. And the only time it ever has been tried to my knowledge, is for several decades during and after the life of Jesus. That Revolution? Lived, total, solidarity with the Global Neediest. "The Golden Rule is to steadfastly have what millions cannot have," is how Gandhi said it. "Do unto others ALL that you would have them do unto you," is how Jesus Lived it, and how He or his followers, said it.
4.30.2014
***** Update re Loving: Accelerating withdrawal
Hi. Sorry, still haven't gotten to some or all of your notes. Hectic....
I'm successfully feeding the bed bugs, and also the lice. Yes, I take measures to fend them off - sprays, shampoo's, etc.
Out of funds so greatly disrupted internet.
Got really screwed by Verigin Mobile, long story, but they deceived me big time and cost me $200 bucks in worthless equipment and service. Deep sigh. My fellow activist, living in her tipi (I think) down south, heard, and said 'I need your work to continue' and despite repeated repeated repeated protest from me, is sending $200 that should get me back on line, for 2 months (I'll get her back soon.)
Before the $ ran out I was doing intensive internet activism, near every waking second - Global Warming, trying to win back Democracy from the jaws of Fascism, Oligarchy... Species rights... reclaiming the Truths of what Jesus did and did not teach....
The rest of my time is spent in arduous, finally productive... deep study of the deep scholarship on Jesus, the only guy in history that maybe could have lead us away from the final cliff we are racing toward.
Have also watched several MUST SEE documentaries: Earthlings (YouTube), The One Percent (full, free YouTube), Inequality for All (Amazon), Years of Living Dangerously 1, 2, 3 *(see nobe next sentence BEFORE clicking); Forks Over Knives (changed James Cameron's life). (Those who wish to view likewise can find many online for free, or on The Pirate Bay* if they are careful not to get caught. *NOTE: Install "Add Block Plus" into your browser FIRST, as I have, and you won't see all the porn garbage there).
If you want to understand me as I further withdraw, as fast and far as I can from our Godless, Ecocidal, Speciescidal, Creationcidal, Cruel, Barbaric, Mean, Disgusting, Inhumane, Deadly, Torturous, Gluttonous ... UN-Civilization, as my residing with the fellow destitute in this shelter exemplifies, watch these. Also, read the consummate Jesus scholar, Dominik Crossan's career, life capping work, "God and Empire: Jesus against empire, then and now."
I pray now that I find I've returned to being enough of a human to withdraw near-fully from any and all animal, fellow creature, products.
((((HUGS))))
ps: I sense, tho I don't yet 'see,' that my 'withdrawal' is not a retreat, or self-sheltering... in withdrawing from our western culture, now our world culture, I am moving to new ground... and maybe thereby stumbling toward the new ground, the new way of being, the new culture, the True Civilization... we must find individually, and collectively (yes, near impossible) if there is to be a 3rd generation of humans from now.
Loving u forever, no matter what
I'm successfully feeding the bed bugs, and also the lice. Yes, I take measures to fend them off - sprays, shampoo's, etc.
Out of funds so greatly disrupted internet.
Got really screwed by Verigin Mobile, long story, but they deceived me big time and cost me $200 bucks in worthless equipment and service. Deep sigh. My fellow activist, living in her tipi (I think) down south, heard, and said 'I need your work to continue' and despite repeated repeated repeated protest from me, is sending $200 that should get me back on line, for 2 months (I'll get her back soon.)
Before the $ ran out I was doing intensive internet activism, near every waking second - Global Warming, trying to win back Democracy from the jaws of Fascism, Oligarchy... Species rights... reclaiming the Truths of what Jesus did and did not teach....
The rest of my time is spent in arduous, finally productive... deep study of the deep scholarship on Jesus, the only guy in history that maybe could have lead us away from the final cliff we are racing toward.
Have also watched several MUST SEE documentaries: Earthlings (YouTube), The One Percent (full, free YouTube), Inequality for All (Amazon), Years of Living Dangerously 1, 2, 3 *(see nobe next sentence BEFORE clicking); Forks Over Knives (changed James Cameron's life). (Those who wish to view likewise can find many online for free, or on The Pirate Bay* if they are careful not to get caught. *NOTE: Install "Add Block Plus" into your browser FIRST, as I have, and you won't see all the porn garbage there).
If you want to understand me as I further withdraw, as fast and far as I can from our Godless, Ecocidal, Speciescidal, Creationcidal, Cruel, Barbaric, Mean, Disgusting, Inhumane, Deadly, Torturous, Gluttonous ... UN-Civilization, as my residing with the fellow destitute in this shelter exemplifies, watch these. Also, read the consummate Jesus scholar, Dominik Crossan's career, life capping work, "God and Empire: Jesus against empire, then and now."
I pray now that I find I've returned to being enough of a human to withdraw near-fully from any and all animal, fellow creature, products.
((((HUGS))))
ps: I sense, tho I don't yet 'see,' that my 'withdrawal' is not a retreat, or self-sheltering... in withdrawing from our western culture, now our world culture, I am moving to new ground... and maybe thereby stumbling toward the new ground, the new way of being, the new culture, the True Civilization... we must find individually, and collectively (yes, near impossible) if there is to be a 3rd generation of humans from now.
Loving u forever, no matter what
4.28.2014
***** Important FB dialog. Pls read: "Ah Loving, but your judgments come across very harshly sometimes...." (DETAIL)
S:
Ah Loving, but your judgments come across very harshly sometimes. As in this little discussion. Pushing people to act more boldly, more deeply, actually effectively - I hear you and am with you. Commenting as if the people who don't go far enough are doing more harm than good - I'd like to see you win them over instead.
Loving:
S, thank you for your honest and thoughtful comment. 'Winning people over' is not my job, never has been, never will be. It may be someone's job in this, but it is not mine. My mistake is in forgetting that.
Did you ever see 'An Officer and a Gentleman?' Officer Foley, one of the greatest icons of Loving I've ever seen in literature, media.... He trained naval aviators, and if he failed, they died. He had only weeks with them to get the job done. Like me, he didn't go after these recruits, he didn't invite people in. But he was there for those who came; and he was the quintessential HARSH. I don't try to emulate him, but he comes to mind in dialogs like this, which many, many times I've had throughout my adulthood, and my last decade in full time advocacy.
I try to warn folks that come near me, as anyone that knows me would have to acknowledge.
My calculation is that the kids of today will NOT thank the environmental 'adults' of today for being so nice, encouraging, kind, patient... as they are. They will scream at us, in their minds if only there, WHY DIDN'T YOU WAKE US THE F UP, OR DIE TRYING??? WHY DIDN'T YOU GET THRU TO US HOW HARSH IT IS???? WERE YOU AFRAID OF HURTING OUR FEELINGS, WHEN OUR LAST CHANCE SECONDS TO SAVE AN EARTH FOR US AND OUR CHILDREN WERE DWINDLING???!?!?!?!? YOU AFFORDED YOURSELVES THE LUXURY OF IGNORING THE SCIENCE, JUST LIKE THE FOLKS ON THE RIGHT - THE SCIENCE SAID NOW OR NEVER, YOUR BEHAVIOR TO US SAID - OH, IT'LL ALL WORK OUT - IGNORE THE PLAIN AS DAY HISTORY OF THE TERRIBLE PRICE THAT CHANGE COSTS THE ACTVISTS.... JUST 'DO YOUR BEST,' DO WHAT IS CONVENIENT, SAFE, PAINLESS.... YOU WEREN'T OUR FRIENDS, YOU WERE OUR ENABLERS.
There is really 'nasty' stuff said by the left regarding the right. I'll guess my friends on the left aren't horrified by much of that. Why? Because they see in those missiles a prayer that it will 1. wake up some on the right; and 2. it will heighten the alarm felt by some on the left. What I do is allow myself to discover, LIVE and speak the historically unprecedentedly HARSH Truth as best and honestly as I can, where those who may want to hear can hear it, which so far is a rapidly dwindling, miniscule few. What I do is not really so different from what the left does as a mainstay to the right; I'm not so much more harsh, than what I see the left offering the right; but the left has such a deadly, cowardly, double standard - they dish it out but reject it coming at them, at any price. I ALLOW NO DOUBLE STANDARDS IN MY LIFE; NO ONE SHOULD.
S, this is an old, old, old... dialog with me on this subject, going back years before we met. OF COURSE I may be entirely wrong in most or all I've said here. I am convinced by a life dedicated to being a catalyst for high-stakes change, I am not wrong.
The right is clinically insane in this country. The left is no less so. That is a clinical judgement on my part, not a taunt, jab, attempt to be nasty.... The deadliest disease on earth is on the left, because it is on the left that any remaining shred of hope lies. That disease is unrecognized self-centeredness, cowardice, self-protection... no matter what; and by comparison to any and every major rights struggle in history that is glaringly, BLARINGLY, true.
I'll not stop studying, Living, and speaking the Truth on that as best I can. I expect to make no difference. I expect to die friendless, literally, I'm pretty close to that now (the one place I make unerring progress. LOL). I'll not stop trying to do my part, the tip of the spear part, of what is lacking, to the best of my ability. (((((((HUGS))))))
ps. What amazes me is when folks travel near to me, and don't leave; AND PERIODICALLY I PREEMPTIVELY WARN THEM. At first, (and second and third...) they don't understand my warnings. But finally, near all, do, and leave.. My Loving is unconditional, including when they leave. I don't invite folks in. That is for the spirit, not me; or for others to do, which they pretty much never do.
pps: It is NEVER my place to try to 'push others to do more.' NEVER. BUT IT IS MY ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY AS A BROTHER TO OFFER THAT OPPORTUNITY, WHICH I WILL DO, WHATEVER IT COSTS ME, WITH MY LAST BREATH.
ppps: YES, I don't know ANYONE THAT AGREES WITH ME ON ANY OF THE ABOVE. But know that it is totally clear to me that I'm in the right ball-park. Occasionally, on FB and elsewhere, don't we each love the posts talking about the lone seeker that bucks the trend, and stands for the truth, no matter what? Come on, we all love that one. But we on the left, never think that it could be that we as a group are wrong, and that anyone could rightly be that individual standing apart, and Lovingly against, what we are doing, not doing, thinking, saying. NO, NOT US? Really? "The world will not be destroyed by people who do evil, but by those who watch it and do nothing." Who do we think Einstein was referring to as the 'the good people!??!?!" The right wingnuts of his day?
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S:
Yes, Einstein was referring to us.
No, it's not everybody's job to win people over. It's not my job either... except that since I say my job is consciousness change, I guess it is. And you are attempting to change the consciousness of the Left - and I agree with your direction. I just don't see it happening. The thousand hunger strikers would have been effective. Well, maybe. Maybe 100,000 would be required. Why didn't I join you? Maybe because I thought it would be impossible. Maybe because I wanted things I would have lost.
The fact that people keep hanging around you proves that you are less alone than you think. Your opinions are more shared than you think. We all differ a bit in how we think it ought to be presented - strategy.
Could we form an alliance perhaps, of those who did read this note, to support each other in actually making the change?
I'm perhaps doing the least of anyone here. Sure, something could have happened on the Walk, but we minimized risk by minimizing confrontation. Now I'm going to grow food - small and local benefit - and asking myself what next to do to stop the climate from changing.
S:
I commented on the web page. Thank you for respecting me enough to listen and reply.
Loving:
S, there will never come a day I don't respect you, or any person, or any creature; unless and until I Die as the person I strive to be. I read your comment on the website, of course.
WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE IS THE HARDEST THING IN THE WORLD - MOVING FROM THE HEAD TO THE HEART. I KNOW THAT IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT CAN SAVE US. I KNOW IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED EN MASSE, FOR OTHER THAN BRIEF MOMENTS IN HISTORY. I KNOW THAT THE LIKES OF THE BEST WE'VE EVER SEEN HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO MAKE MORE THAN A DENT - EVEN THE LIKES OF JESUS, BUDDHA.... WHY? BECAUSE IT IS THE HARDEST THING IN THE WORLD FOR HUMANS. BUT NOTHING LESS CAN SAVE US.
I AM NOT SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW WHO CAN MAKE THE JUMP, WHEN. IT ISN'T MY BUSINESS, NEVER WILL BE.
It is TOTALLY my business to make the jump myself, every day, every breath, as pitifully and ineptly as I may do it, and thereby do the most I can to help others make a similar choice. The only thing in the world I can change is me, and that, I'll pay any and every personal price to do.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HARDEST THING IN THE WORLD. Please know, I totally get that.
And I have ZERO illusion that I'll ever really be any help to anyone in this. But I'll give my every and last breath to the attempt, of that I am certain. Nothing else matters.
Introjection: "Example is not the major thing in influencing people; it is the only thing." Albert Schweitzer, maybe my favorite quote of all time. "My life is my message," is Gandhi saying it a different way. Our heads know there are dire emergencies. BUT OUR LIVES DO NOT SHOUT THAT. AND OUR LIVES, NOT OUR WORDS, ARE WHAT THE ONLOOKERS, THE BENCH SITTERS, THE UNDECIDEDS LEFT RIGHT AND CENTER... ARE WATCHING. SO ALL EVIDENCE TO THEM IS - THERE IS NO EMERGENCY!
The only thing I know is that stopping Global Warming (in time, by definition) WILL COST AN UNGODLY PERSONAL PRICE BY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH. AND A SMALL PRICE BY MILLIONS WON'T DO IT. THERE MUST BE A FIRE OF INTENSE HEAT, AND ONLY INDIVIDUALS UNMISTAKABLY BURNING CAN DO THAT. 'She who would give light, must endure burning." Eleanor Roosevelt.
There is no ideal strategy, approach, idea, campaign... that will stop this. BUT IF THERE ARE EVER 2, THEN 10, THEN 100, THEN 1000... INDIVIDUALS PAYING THE PRICE, ONE OF THEM, ALL OF THEM... COULD START THE BLAZE.
((((((HUGS)))))) to you all, forever.
Loving:
I owe you all to be more of a Sgt Foley, not more approachable, not more gentle, kind, encouraging... but less. I confuse those around me otherwise. I am not here on earth to be 'friends' with anyone. I am here to be a friend TO EVERYONE, starting with the neediest, born, and to be born. Sgt. Foley, over and out.
S:
I'll have to watch that film. When you write like you did above, you inspire me to do more.
Ah Loving, but your judgments come across very harshly sometimes. As in this little discussion. Pushing people to act more boldly, more deeply, actually effectively - I hear you and am with you. Commenting as if the people who don't go far enough are doing more harm than good - I'd like to see you win them over instead.
Loving:
S, thank you for your honest and thoughtful comment. 'Winning people over' is not my job, never has been, never will be. It may be someone's job in this, but it is not mine. My mistake is in forgetting that.
Did you ever see 'An Officer and a Gentleman?' Officer Foley, one of the greatest icons of Loving I've ever seen in literature, media.... He trained naval aviators, and if he failed, they died. He had only weeks with them to get the job done. Like me, he didn't go after these recruits, he didn't invite people in. But he was there for those who came; and he was the quintessential HARSH. I don't try to emulate him, but he comes to mind in dialogs like this, which many, many times I've had throughout my adulthood, and my last decade in full time advocacy.
I try to warn folks that come near me, as anyone that knows me would have to acknowledge.
My calculation is that the kids of today will NOT thank the environmental 'adults' of today for being so nice, encouraging, kind, patient... as they are. They will scream at us, in their minds if only there, WHY DIDN'T YOU WAKE US THE F UP, OR DIE TRYING??? WHY DIDN'T YOU GET THRU TO US HOW HARSH IT IS???? WERE YOU AFRAID OF HURTING OUR FEELINGS, WHEN OUR LAST CHANCE SECONDS TO SAVE AN EARTH FOR US AND OUR CHILDREN WERE DWINDLING???!?!?!?!? YOU AFFORDED YOURSELVES THE LUXURY OF IGNORING THE SCIENCE, JUST LIKE THE FOLKS ON THE RIGHT - THE SCIENCE SAID NOW OR NEVER, YOUR BEHAVIOR TO US SAID - OH, IT'LL ALL WORK OUT - IGNORE THE PLAIN AS DAY HISTORY OF THE TERRIBLE PRICE THAT CHANGE COSTS THE ACTVISTS.... JUST 'DO YOUR BEST,' DO WHAT IS CONVENIENT, SAFE, PAINLESS.... YOU WEREN'T OUR FRIENDS, YOU WERE OUR ENABLERS.
There is really 'nasty' stuff said by the left regarding the right. I'll guess my friends on the left aren't horrified by much of that. Why? Because they see in those missiles a prayer that it will 1. wake up some on the right; and 2. it will heighten the alarm felt by some on the left. What I do is allow myself to discover, LIVE and speak the historically unprecedentedly HARSH Truth as best and honestly as I can, where those who may want to hear can hear it, which so far is a rapidly dwindling, miniscule few. What I do is not really so different from what the left does as a mainstay to the right; I'm not so much more harsh, than what I see the left offering the right; but the left has such a deadly, cowardly, double standard - they dish it out but reject it coming at them, at any price. I ALLOW NO DOUBLE STANDARDS IN MY LIFE; NO ONE SHOULD.
S, this is an old, old, old... dialog with me on this subject, going back years before we met. OF COURSE I may be entirely wrong in most or all I've said here. I am convinced by a life dedicated to being a catalyst for high-stakes change, I am not wrong.
The right is clinically insane in this country. The left is no less so. That is a clinical judgement on my part, not a taunt, jab, attempt to be nasty.... The deadliest disease on earth is on the left, because it is on the left that any remaining shred of hope lies. That disease is unrecognized self-centeredness, cowardice, self-protection... no matter what; and by comparison to any and every major rights struggle in history that is glaringly, BLARINGLY, true.
I'll not stop studying, Living, and speaking the Truth on that as best I can. I expect to make no difference. I expect to die friendless, literally, I'm pretty close to that now (the one place I make unerring progress. LOL). I'll not stop trying to do my part, the tip of the spear part, of what is lacking, to the best of my ability. (((((((HUGS))))))
ps. What amazes me is when folks travel near to me, and don't leave; AND PERIODICALLY I PREEMPTIVELY WARN THEM. At first, (and second and third...) they don't understand my warnings. But finally, near all, do, and leave.. My Loving is unconditional, including when they leave. I don't invite folks in. That is for the spirit, not me; or for others to do, which they pretty much never do.
pps: It is NEVER my place to try to 'push others to do more.' NEVER. BUT IT IS MY ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY AS A BROTHER TO OFFER THAT OPPORTUNITY, WHICH I WILL DO, WHATEVER IT COSTS ME, WITH MY LAST BREATH.
ppps: YES, I don't know ANYONE THAT AGREES WITH ME ON ANY OF THE ABOVE. But know that it is totally clear to me that I'm in the right ball-park. Occasionally, on FB and elsewhere, don't we each love the posts talking about the lone seeker that bucks the trend, and stands for the truth, no matter what? Come on, we all love that one. But we on the left, never think that it could be that we as a group are wrong, and that anyone could rightly be that individual standing apart, and Lovingly against, what we are doing, not doing, thinking, saying. NO, NOT US? Really? "The world will not be destroyed by people who do evil, but by those who watch it and do nothing." Who do we think Einstein was referring to as the 'the good people!??!?!" The right wingnuts of his day?
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S:
Yes, Einstein was referring to us.
No, it's not everybody's job to win people over. It's not my job either... except that since I say my job is consciousness change, I guess it is. And you are attempting to change the consciousness of the Left - and I agree with your direction. I just don't see it happening. The thousand hunger strikers would have been effective. Well, maybe. Maybe 100,000 would be required. Why didn't I join you? Maybe because I thought it would be impossible. Maybe because I wanted things I would have lost.
The fact that people keep hanging around you proves that you are less alone than you think. Your opinions are more shared than you think. We all differ a bit in how we think it ought to be presented - strategy.
Could we form an alliance perhaps, of those who did read this note, to support each other in actually making the change?
I'm perhaps doing the least of anyone here. Sure, something could have happened on the Walk, but we minimized risk by minimizing confrontation. Now I'm going to grow food - small and local benefit - and asking myself what next to do to stop the climate from changing.
S:
I commented on the web page. Thank you for respecting me enough to listen and reply.
Loving:
S, there will never come a day I don't respect you, or any person, or any creature; unless and until I Die as the person I strive to be. I read your comment on the website, of course.
WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE IS THE HARDEST THING IN THE WORLD - MOVING FROM THE HEAD TO THE HEART. I KNOW THAT IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT CAN SAVE US. I KNOW IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED EN MASSE, FOR OTHER THAN BRIEF MOMENTS IN HISTORY. I KNOW THAT THE LIKES OF THE BEST WE'VE EVER SEEN HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO MAKE MORE THAN A DENT - EVEN THE LIKES OF JESUS, BUDDHA.... WHY? BECAUSE IT IS THE HARDEST THING IN THE WORLD FOR HUMANS. BUT NOTHING LESS CAN SAVE US.
I AM NOT SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW WHO CAN MAKE THE JUMP, WHEN. IT ISN'T MY BUSINESS, NEVER WILL BE.
It is TOTALLY my business to make the jump myself, every day, every breath, as pitifully and ineptly as I may do it, and thereby do the most I can to help others make a similar choice. The only thing in the world I can change is me, and that, I'll pay any and every personal price to do.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HARDEST THING IN THE WORLD. Please know, I totally get that.
And I have ZERO illusion that I'll ever really be any help to anyone in this. But I'll give my every and last breath to the attempt, of that I am certain. Nothing else matters.
Introjection: "Example is not the major thing in influencing people; it is the only thing." Albert Schweitzer, maybe my favorite quote of all time. "My life is my message," is Gandhi saying it a different way. Our heads know there are dire emergencies. BUT OUR LIVES DO NOT SHOUT THAT. AND OUR LIVES, NOT OUR WORDS, ARE WHAT THE ONLOOKERS, THE BENCH SITTERS, THE UNDECIDEDS LEFT RIGHT AND CENTER... ARE WATCHING. SO ALL EVIDENCE TO THEM IS - THERE IS NO EMERGENCY!
The only thing I know is that stopping Global Warming (in time, by definition) WILL COST AN UNGODLY PERSONAL PRICE BY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH. AND A SMALL PRICE BY MILLIONS WON'T DO IT. THERE MUST BE A FIRE OF INTENSE HEAT, AND ONLY INDIVIDUALS UNMISTAKABLY BURNING CAN DO THAT. 'She who would give light, must endure burning." Eleanor Roosevelt.
There is no ideal strategy, approach, idea, campaign... that will stop this. BUT IF THERE ARE EVER 2, THEN 10, THEN 100, THEN 1000... INDIVIDUALS PAYING THE PRICE, ONE OF THEM, ALL OF THEM... COULD START THE BLAZE.
((((((HUGS)))))) to you all, forever.
Loving:
I owe you all to be more of a Sgt Foley, not more approachable, not more gentle, kind, encouraging... but less. I confuse those around me otherwise. I am not here on earth to be 'friends' with anyone. I am here to be a friend TO EVERYONE, starting with the neediest, born, and to be born. Sgt. Foley, over and out.
S:
I'll have to watch that film. When you write like you did above, you inspire me to do more.
4.27.2014
I'm flat out of funds, so internet communication will be more sporadic for me now.
I'm flat out of funds, so internet communication will be more sporadic for me now.
4.25.2014
4.24.2014
4.23.2014
***** FB Dialog: "We totally waste the better part of our lives on sex." (details)
PPT: I have wasted the better part of my life waiting for sex.
R: James, surely you did not expect this one to fly. Sex is far from a waste of time. It restores us.
K: I have wasted time on sex... But never wasted one second on making love with someone I truly love! Huge difference ! Sex is a meaningless act. Making love a gift of ones body and soul to another whom is giving the same in return .
R: K, thank you. You put into words what my mind was thinking but never articulated.
PPT: Yes. I don't have sex. I only make love.
WC: The learning part of life.
JJ: It's Obama's fault.🗽
JM: Love is good, and so is making love; pointless sex is a distracting, and many waste years of energy chasing it.. I think that's the point here. Not sure though
Loving: Wow, I've just lost (FB ate it) a long and detailed reply to your comments, above. Oh well. I'll leave you with your shallow, glib, dismissal of what I tried to share. If in the future, you find yourself wanting to explore what I tried to share, spend some time at my blog, and let me know how we can take it from there. Very disappointing.
R: I guess you should have elaborated on your original statement? Always like exploring your thoughts and way of looking at life. Sorry if my response was shallow, glib or dismissive, it wasn't meant to be.
Loving: Of course the following proves nothing (nothing is absolute proof of anything) but the/a premier scholar of the man, the human, Jesus, is Dominik Crossen, who I've been studying for much of the last 9 months. I am interested in Crossan because thru him I believe I am able to see the pre-eminent scholarship on the man Jesus, of the last 200 years. I am drawn to understand that man Jesus, and not what was made up in his name quickly afterward, because I think if there was anyone in history that might have been able to lead us away from ecocide, fascism... in 2014, only Jesus was that person, in my experience, and probably even He could not have.... Crossan has done nothing but study, publish on, the scrolls, history, archeology, writings, scholarship, anthropology... that pertains, for about 30 years, his entire adulthood. The following is pretty central and fundamental to what he, and I, understand was utterly central to Jesus vision, understanding, diagnosis, prescription..... I'm not sure it can speak to you all by itself, but it is what I could quickly get for you, from his book to scholars, "The Historical Jesus," 1994 or so: "Jesus’ Kingdom of nobodies and undesirables in the here and now of this world was surely a radically egalitarian one, and, as such, it rendered sexual and social, political and religious distinctions completely irrelevant and anachronistic." Celibacy, of body and mind, EXACTLY like that of a very young child, except for the moments of procreation, was a given. PRETTY HORRIBLE IDEA, NO? WHAT A HORRIBLE WORLD THAT WOULD BE - EMPTY, BORING, PLEASURELESS, MEANINGLESS!!!! WHAT A HORRIBLE LIFE THAT WOULD BE!!! Remember how horrible your life was before your sexual urges and abilities developed?!?!?!? Right??? Think about how horrible life will be for you, how empty, dead... when your urges subside in old age?!?!?!?! HORRIBLE!!!!! I let society and my hormones strip away the understanding Jesus had, that I naturally had. No more. I've returned to my sanity, to Loving (which has NOTHING to do with sex, but maybe, .00000001% of the time it can be something that Loving does). The Possible Heaven, on earth, is a Loving (Serving the Neediest from the Soul in Solidarity) centric, Loving filled, Lusting/Sex devoid world (the opposite of our world today). Does anyone really think we can eliminate wars, greed, inequality, poverty, suffering, lust for stuff... without relegating sex of any sort to the insignificant, irrelevant, uninteresting... margins? (Hint, it can't be done). Well, enough for now. (If the above is significantly in error, than I know NOTHING that is any value, for anyone, regarding ANYTHING, which of course, may be the case, and may be fine, I suppose).
WC: Like Gandhi says about his wife: you stop lusting after them and learn to develop a partnership and equal relationship. Sex is meant for procreation.
Loving: Wayne, all my days I've had the most total admiration for Gandhi; and I got him, I get him. As a young man, and not so young, I knew of his views and practices you've just cited. I couldn't believe he meant it. I couldn't believe he was correct. I didn't understand Loving - I thought that and sex (making Love) were closely intertwined, and I could hardly have been more incorrect. The point to me, to Gandhi, to Jesus ... is not that sex, or truly making love, are bad. It is that they are profoundly inferior to Loving (Serving the neediest from the Soul in Solidarity). Anyone, everyone, is welcome to disagree with Gandhi, me, Jesus (maybe Gloria Steinem later in life now, LOL).... I DID disagree for most of my years. What a horrible, tragic, waste, including near all of the Making Love. What a waste. (Isn't it interesting? If my post above, and comments herein, had somehow been near the reverse - that Making Love, sex, is the epitome of human experience, and how fortunate those for whom it is central in their lives - virtually no one would be threatened, upset... by that. But to suggest the reverse? HORRIFYING!!!!!) What Hell to be a Gandhi, Jesus, Teresa of Calcutta, Malala.... SOOOO MUCH they 'Sacrificed,' 'Gave up....'
Loving: Sincere, warm ((((HUGS)))) to all.
R: Not so HORRIFYING when explained as you have done very well. I get it and believe it but not so sure I would have 40 years ago ...
Loving: R, you are amazing. You and others were disturbed by my post, and I was disturbed by many of the comments. And how else could it be? This is just the very epicenter, the very fault line, that has prevented, and probably always will prevent heaven on earth. Please get ready for this: equally central is its near cousin, nuclear family. It is inconceivable to us in 2014 Western culture, that nuclear family is not the supremely natural noble good. But objectively, the most peaceful, most joyful, most heaven like cultures to have ever been, are the indigenous tribes throughout history. And within these tribes the notion of nuclear family is literally incomprehensible, as is anything resembling our sex centric culture. Hugs.
R: I wasn't disturbed so much as confused as to where you were coming from. Should have known there was reasoning behind your statement .... could you also, when you find time, or have the inclination, please explain what you mean by nuclear family? I understand about the indigenous tribes and agree with your thoughts on them and their sereneness.
Loving: Nuclear family, the notion that our Supreme responsibility is mom and dad to biological offspring. Jesus was nothing, if not an existential scream against such ideas. Love is not love, family is not family, if it has any boundaries whatsoever. Are there practical issues, issues of proximity? Of course! For most of my years I totally revered Dr King. But I couldn't understand how he continued his work that so endangered the very lives of his biological family! And then it hit me. He realized that every child was his child. Everyone was his family. And that's what Jesus died to teach us, to give us. Besides sex, there is nothing more than nuclear family that we use to justify our barbaric cruelty, neglect, abuse of those outside its borders.
R: Thank you ... Your reference to Dr. King putting his family in danger made it very clear as to what you mean, what you are saying. I am afraid there are not enough of us (like you and your ilk) willing or I should say, able to bring ourselves to that level. While I know this is the only way to world peace and true Love of all mankind, I fear it is only a dream that wise men envision. Yes, Jesus died to teach us that and you can see how well we learned that lesson. Thank you, James, you give me so much to think about ....
R: James, surely you did not expect this one to fly. Sex is far from a waste of time. It restores us.
K: I have wasted time on sex... But never wasted one second on making love with someone I truly love! Huge difference ! Sex is a meaningless act. Making love a gift of ones body and soul to another whom is giving the same in return .
R: K, thank you. You put into words what my mind was thinking but never articulated.
PPT: Yes. I don't have sex. I only make love.
WC: The learning part of life.
JJ: It's Obama's fault.🗽
JM: Love is good, and so is making love; pointless sex is a distracting, and many waste years of energy chasing it.. I think that's the point here. Not sure though
Loving: Wow, I've just lost (FB ate it) a long and detailed reply to your comments, above. Oh well. I'll leave you with your shallow, glib, dismissal of what I tried to share. If in the future, you find yourself wanting to explore what I tried to share, spend some time at my blog, and let me know how we can take it from there. Very disappointing.
R: I guess you should have elaborated on your original statement? Always like exploring your thoughts and way of looking at life. Sorry if my response was shallow, glib or dismissive, it wasn't meant to be.
Loving: Of course the following proves nothing (nothing is absolute proof of anything) but the/a premier scholar of the man, the human, Jesus, is Dominik Crossen, who I've been studying for much of the last 9 months. I am interested in Crossan because thru him I believe I am able to see the pre-eminent scholarship on the man Jesus, of the last 200 years. I am drawn to understand that man Jesus, and not what was made up in his name quickly afterward, because I think if there was anyone in history that might have been able to lead us away from ecocide, fascism... in 2014, only Jesus was that person, in my experience, and probably even He could not have.... Crossan has done nothing but study, publish on, the scrolls, history, archeology, writings, scholarship, anthropology... that pertains, for about 30 years, his entire adulthood. The following is pretty central and fundamental to what he, and I, understand was utterly central to Jesus vision, understanding, diagnosis, prescription..... I'm not sure it can speak to you all by itself, but it is what I could quickly get for you, from his book to scholars, "The Historical Jesus," 1994 or so: "Jesus’ Kingdom of nobodies and undesirables in the here and now of this world was surely a radically egalitarian one, and, as such, it rendered sexual and social, political and religious distinctions completely irrelevant and anachronistic." Celibacy, of body and mind, EXACTLY like that of a very young child, except for the moments of procreation, was a given. PRETTY HORRIBLE IDEA, NO? WHAT A HORRIBLE WORLD THAT WOULD BE - EMPTY, BORING, PLEASURELESS, MEANINGLESS!!!! WHAT A HORRIBLE LIFE THAT WOULD BE!!! Remember how horrible your life was before your sexual urges and abilities developed?!?!?!? Right??? Think about how horrible life will be for you, how empty, dead... when your urges subside in old age?!?!?!?! HORRIBLE!!!!! I let society and my hormones strip away the understanding Jesus had, that I naturally had. No more. I've returned to my sanity, to Loving (which has NOTHING to do with sex, but maybe, .00000001% of the time it can be something that Loving does). The Possible Heaven, on earth, is a Loving (Serving the Neediest from the Soul in Solidarity) centric, Loving filled, Lusting/Sex devoid world (the opposite of our world today). Does anyone really think we can eliminate wars, greed, inequality, poverty, suffering, lust for stuff... without relegating sex of any sort to the insignificant, irrelevant, uninteresting... margins? (Hint, it can't be done). Well, enough for now. (If the above is significantly in error, than I know NOTHING that is any value, for anyone, regarding ANYTHING, which of course, may be the case, and may be fine, I suppose).
WC: Like Gandhi says about his wife: you stop lusting after them and learn to develop a partnership and equal relationship. Sex is meant for procreation.
Loving: Wayne, all my days I've had the most total admiration for Gandhi; and I got him, I get him. As a young man, and not so young, I knew of his views and practices you've just cited. I couldn't believe he meant it. I couldn't believe he was correct. I didn't understand Loving - I thought that and sex (making Love) were closely intertwined, and I could hardly have been more incorrect. The point to me, to Gandhi, to Jesus ... is not that sex, or truly making love, are bad. It is that they are profoundly inferior to Loving (Serving the neediest from the Soul in Solidarity). Anyone, everyone, is welcome to disagree with Gandhi, me, Jesus (maybe Gloria Steinem later in life now, LOL).... I DID disagree for most of my years. What a horrible, tragic, waste, including near all of the Making Love. What a waste. (Isn't it interesting? If my post above, and comments herein, had somehow been near the reverse - that Making Love, sex, is the epitome of human experience, and how fortunate those for whom it is central in their lives - virtually no one would be threatened, upset... by that. But to suggest the reverse? HORRIFYING!!!!!) What Hell to be a Gandhi, Jesus, Teresa of Calcutta, Malala.... SOOOO MUCH they 'Sacrificed,' 'Gave up....'
Loving: Sincere, warm ((((HUGS)))) to all.
R: Not so HORRIFYING when explained as you have done very well. I get it and believe it but not so sure I would have 40 years ago ...
Loving: R, you are amazing. You and others were disturbed by my post, and I was disturbed by many of the comments. And how else could it be? This is just the very epicenter, the very fault line, that has prevented, and probably always will prevent heaven on earth. Please get ready for this: equally central is its near cousin, nuclear family. It is inconceivable to us in 2014 Western culture, that nuclear family is not the supremely natural noble good. But objectively, the most peaceful, most joyful, most heaven like cultures to have ever been, are the indigenous tribes throughout history. And within these tribes the notion of nuclear family is literally incomprehensible, as is anything resembling our sex centric culture. Hugs.
R: I wasn't disturbed so much as confused as to where you were coming from. Should have known there was reasoning behind your statement .... could you also, when you find time, or have the inclination, please explain what you mean by nuclear family? I understand about the indigenous tribes and agree with your thoughts on them and their sereneness.
Loving: Nuclear family, the notion that our Supreme responsibility is mom and dad to biological offspring. Jesus was nothing, if not an existential scream against such ideas. Love is not love, family is not family, if it has any boundaries whatsoever. Are there practical issues, issues of proximity? Of course! For most of my years I totally revered Dr King. But I couldn't understand how he continued his work that so endangered the very lives of his biological family! And then it hit me. He realized that every child was his child. Everyone was his family. And that's what Jesus died to teach us, to give us. Besides sex, there is nothing more than nuclear family that we use to justify our barbaric cruelty, neglect, abuse of those outside its borders.
R: Thank you ... Your reference to Dr. King putting his family in danger made it very clear as to what you mean, what you are saying. I am afraid there are not enough of us (like you and your ilk) willing or I should say, able to bring ourselves to that level. While I know this is the only way to world peace and true Love of all mankind, I fear it is only a dream that wise men envision. Yes, Jesus died to teach us that and you can see how well we learned that lesson. Thank you, James, you give me so much to think about ....
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