PPT: I have wasted the better part of my life waiting for sex.
R: James, surely you did not expect this one to fly. Sex is far from a waste of time. It restores us.
K: I
have wasted time on sex... But never wasted one second on making love
with someone I truly love! Huge difference ! Sex is a meaningless act.
Making love a gift of ones body and soul to another whom is giving the
same in return .
R: K, thank you. You put into words what my mind was thinking but never articulated.
PPT: Yes. I don't have sex. I only make love.
WC: The learning part of life.
JJ: It's Obama's fault.🗽
JM:
Love is good, and so is making love; pointless sex is a distracting,
and many waste years of energy chasing it.. I think that's the point
here. Not sure though
Loving: Wow,
I've just lost (FB ate it) a long and detailed reply to your comments,
above. Oh well. I'll leave you with your shallow, glib, dismissal of
what I tried to share. If in the future, you find yourself wanting to
explore what I tried to share, spend some time at my blog, and let me
know how we can take it from there. Very disappointing.
R: I
guess you should have elaborated on your original statement? Always
like exploring your thoughts and way of looking at life. Sorry if my
response was shallow, glib or dismissive, it wasn't meant to be.
Loving: Of
course the following proves nothing (nothing is absolute proof of
anything) but the/a premier scholar of the man, the human, Jesus, is
Dominik Crossen, who I've been studying for much of the last 9 months. I
am interested in Crossan because
thru him I believe I am able to see the pre-eminent scholarship on the
man Jesus, of the last 200 years. I am drawn to understand that man
Jesus, and not what was made up in his name quickly afterward, because I
think if there was anyone in history that might have been able to lead
us away from ecocide, fascism... in 2014, only Jesus was that person, in
my experience, and probably even He could not have.... Crossan has done
nothing but study, publish on, the scrolls, history, archeology,
writings, scholarship, anthropology... that pertains, for about 30
years, his entire adulthood. The following is pretty central and
fundamental to what he, and I, understand was utterly central to Jesus
vision, understanding, diagnosis, prescription..... I'm not sure it can
speak to you all by itself, but it is what I could quickly get for you,
from his book to scholars, "The Historical Jesus," 1994 or so: "Jesus’
Kingdom of nobodies and undesirables in the here and now of this world
was surely a radically egalitarian one, and, as such, it rendered sexual
and social, political and religious distinctions completely irrelevant
and anachronistic." Celibacy, of body and mind, EXACTLY like that of a
very young child, except for the moments of procreation, was a given.
PRETTY HORRIBLE IDEA, NO? WHAT A HORRIBLE WORLD THAT WOULD BE - EMPTY,
BORING, PLEASURELESS, MEANINGLESS!!!! WHAT A HORRIBLE LIFE THAT WOULD
BE!!! Remember how horrible your life was before your sexual urges and
abilities developed?!?!?!? Right??? Think about how horrible life will
be for you, how empty, dead... when your urges subside in old
age?!?!?!?! HORRIBLE!!!!! I let society and my hormones strip away the
understanding Jesus had, that I naturally had. No more. I've returned to
my sanity, to Loving (which has NOTHING to do with sex, but maybe,
.00000001% of the time it can be something that Loving does). The
Possible Heaven, on earth, is a Loving (Serving the Neediest from the
Soul in Solidarity) centric, Loving filled, Lusting/Sex devoid world
(the opposite of our world today). Does anyone really think we can
eliminate wars, greed, inequality, poverty, suffering, lust for stuff...
without relegating sex of any sort to the insignificant, irrelevant,
uninteresting... margins? (Hint, it can't be done). Well, enough for
now. (If the above is significantly in error, than I know NOTHING that
is any value, for anyone, regarding ANYTHING, which of course, may be
the case, and may be fine, I suppose).
WC: Like
Gandhi says about his wife: you stop lusting after them and learn to
develop a partnership and equal relationship. Sex is meant for
procreation.
Loving: Wayne,
all my days I've had the most total admiration for Gandhi; and I got
him, I get him. As a young man, and not so young, I knew of his views
and practices you've just cited. I couldn't believe he meant it. I
couldn't believe he was correct. I didn't
understand Loving - I thought that and sex (making Love) were closely
intertwined, and I could hardly have been more incorrect. The point to
me, to Gandhi, to Jesus ... is not that sex, or truly making love, are
bad. It is that they are profoundly inferior to Loving (Serving the
neediest from the Soul in Solidarity). Anyone, everyone, is welcome to
disagree with Gandhi, me, Jesus (maybe Gloria Steinem later in life now,
LOL).... I DID disagree for most of my years. What a horrible,
tragic, waste, including near all of the Making Love. What a waste.
(Isn't it interesting? If my post above, and comments herein, had
somehow been near the reverse - that Making Love, sex, is the epitome of
human experience, and how fortunate those for whom it is central in
their lives - virtually no one would be threatened, upset... by that.
But to suggest the reverse? HORRIFYING!!!!!) What Hell to be a Gandhi,
Jesus, Teresa of Calcutta, Malala.... SOOOO MUCH they 'Sacrificed,'
'Gave up....'
Loving: Sincere, warm ((((HUGS)))) to all.
R: Not so HORRIFYING when explained as you have done very well. I get it and believe it but not so sure I would have 40 years ago ...
Loving: R,
you are amazing. You and others were disturbed by my post, and I was
disturbed by many of the comments. And how else could it be? This is
just the very epicenter, the very fault line, that has prevented, and
probably always will prevent heaven on earth. Please get ready for
this: equally central is its near cousin, nuclear family. It is
inconceivable to us in 2014 Western culture, that nuclear family is not
the supremely natural noble good. But objectively, the most peaceful,
most joyful, most heaven like cultures to have ever been, are the
indigenous tribes throughout history. And within these tribes the notion
of nuclear family is literally incomprehensible, as is anything
resembling our sex centric culture. Hugs.
R: I
wasn't disturbed so much as confused as to where you were coming from.
Should have known there was reasoning behind your statement .... could
you also, when you find time, or have the inclination, please explain
what you mean by nuclear family? I understand about the indigenous
tribes and agree with your thoughts on them and their sereneness.
Loving: Nuclear
family, the notion that our Supreme responsibility is mom and dad to
biological offspring. Jesus was nothing, if not an existential scream
against such ideas. Love is not love, family is not family, if it has
any boundaries whatsoever. Are there
practical issues, issues of proximity? Of course! For most of my years I
totally revered Dr King. But I couldn't understand how he continued his
work that so endangered the very lives of his biological family! And
then it hit me. He realized that every child was his child. Everyone was
his family. And that's what Jesus died to teach us, to give us. Besides
sex, there is nothing more than nuclear family that we use to justify
our barbaric cruelty, neglect, abuse of those outside its borders.
R: Thank
you ... Your reference to Dr. King putting his family in danger made it
very clear as to what you mean, what you are saying. I am afraid there
are not enough of us (like you and your ilk) willing or I should say,
able to bring ourselves to that level.
While I know this is the only way to world peace and true Love of all
mankind, I fear it is only a dream that wise men envision. Yes, Jesus
died to teach us that and you can see how well we learned that lesson.
Thank you, James, you give me so much to think about ....
