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4.23.2014

***** FB Dialog: "We totally waste the better part of our lives on sex." (details)

PPT:  I have wasted the better part of my life waiting for sex.

R:  James, surely you did not expect this one to fly. Sex is far from a waste of time. It restores us.

K:  I have wasted time on sex... But never wasted one second on making love with someone I truly love! Huge difference ! Sex is a meaningless act. Making love a gift of ones body and soul to another whom is giving the same in return .

R:  K, thank you. You put into words what my mind was thinking but never articulated.




 
PPT:  Yes. I don't have sex. I only make love.

WC:  The learning part of life.

JJ:  It's Obama's fault.🗽

JM:  Love is good, and so is making love; pointless sex is a distracting, and many waste years of energy chasing it.. I think that's the point here. Not sure though

Loving:  Wow, I've just lost (FB ate it) a long and detailed reply to your comments, above. Oh well. I'll leave you with your shallow, glib, dismissal of what I tried to share. If in the future, you find yourself wanting to explore what I tried to share, spend some time at my blog, and let me know how we can take it from there. Very disappointing.

R:   I guess you should have elaborated on your original statement? Always like exploring your thoughts and way of looking at life. Sorry if my response was shallow, glib or dismissive, it wasn't meant to be.

Loving:  Of course the following proves nothing (nothing is absolute proof of anything) but the/a premier scholar of the man, the human, Jesus, is Dominik Crossen, who I've been studying for much of the last 9 months. I am interested in Crossan because thru him I believe I am able to see the pre-eminent scholarship on the man Jesus, of the last 200 years. I am drawn to understand that man Jesus, and not what was made up in his name quickly afterward, because I think if there was anyone in history that might have been able to lead us away from ecocide, fascism... in 2014, only Jesus was that person, in my experience, and probably even He could not have.... Crossan has done nothing but study, publish on, the scrolls, history, archeology, writings, scholarship, anthropology... that pertains, for about 30 years, his entire adulthood. The following is pretty central and fundamental to what he, and I, understand was utterly central to Jesus vision, understanding, diagnosis, prescription..... I'm not sure it can speak to you all by itself, but it is what I could quickly get for you, from his book to scholars, "The Historical Jesus," 1994 or so: "Jesus’ Kingdom of nobodies and undesirables in the here and now of this world was surely a radically egalitarian one, and, as such, it rendered sexual and social, politi­cal and religious distinctions completely irrelevant and anachronistic." Celibacy, of body and mind, EXACTLY like that of a very young child, except for the moments of procreation, was a given. PRETTY HORRIBLE IDEA, NO? WHAT A HORRIBLE WORLD THAT WOULD BE - EMPTY, BORING, PLEASURELESS, MEANINGLESS!!!! WHAT A HORRIBLE LIFE THAT WOULD BE!!! Remember how horrible your life was before your sexual urges and abilities developed?!?!?!? Right??? Think about how horrible life will be for you, how empty, dead... when your urges subside in old age?!?!?!?! HORRIBLE!!!!! I let society and my hormones strip away the understanding Jesus had, that I naturally had. No more. I've returned to my sanity, to Loving (which has NOTHING to do with sex, but maybe, .00000001% of the time it can be something that Loving does). The Possible Heaven, on earth, is a Loving (Serving the Neediest from the Soul in Solidarity) centric, Loving filled, Lusting/Sex devoid world (the opposite of our world today). Does anyone really think we can eliminate wars, greed, inequality, poverty, suffering, lust for stuff... without relegating sex of any sort to the insignificant, irrelevant, uninteresting... margins? (Hint, it can't be done). Well, enough for now. (If the above is significantly in error, than I know NOTHING that is any value, for anyone, regarding ANYTHING, which of course, may be the case, and may be fine, I suppose).

WC:  Like Gandhi says about his wife: you stop lusting after them and learn to develop a partnership and equal relationship. Sex is meant for procreation.

Loving:   Wayne, all my days I've had the most total admiration for Gandhi; and I got him, I get him. As a young man, and not so young, I knew of his views and practices you've just cited. I couldn't believe he meant it. I couldn't believe he was correct. I didn't understand Loving - I thought that and sex (making Love) were closely intertwined, and I could hardly have been more incorrect. The point to me, to Gandhi, to Jesus ... is not that sex, or truly making love, are bad. It is that they are profoundly inferior to Loving (Serving the neediest from the Soul in Solidarity). Anyone, everyone, is welcome to disagree with Gandhi, me, Jesus (maybe Gloria Steinem later in life now, LOL).... I DID disagree for most of my years. What a horrible, tragic, waste, including near all of the Making Love. What a waste. (Isn't it interesting? If my post above, and comments herein, had somehow been near the reverse - that Making Love, sex, is the epitome of human experience, and how fortunate those for whom it is central in their lives - virtually no one would be threatened, upset... by that. But to suggest the reverse? HORRIFYING!!!!!) What Hell to be a Gandhi, Jesus, Teresa of Calcutta, Malala.... SOOOO MUCH they 'Sacrificed,' 'Gave up....'

Loving:  Sincere, warm ((((HUGS)))) to all.

R:  Not so HORRIFYING when explained as you have done very well. I get it and believe it but not so sure I would have 40 years ago ...

Loving:  R, you are amazing. You and others were disturbed by my post, and I was disturbed by many of the comments. And how else could it be? This is just the very epicenter, the very fault line, that has prevented, and probably always will prevent heaven on earth. Please get ready for this: equally central is its near cousin, nuclear family. It is inconceivable to us in 2014 Western culture, that nuclear family is not the supremely natural noble good. But objectively, the most peaceful, most joyful, most heaven like cultures to have ever been, are the indigenous tribes throughout history. And within these tribes the notion of nuclear family is literally incomprehensible, as is anything resembling our sex centric culture. Hugs.            

R:  I wasn't disturbed so much as confused as to where you were coming from. Should have known there was reasoning behind your statement .... could you also, when you find time, or have the inclination, please explain what you mean by nuclear family? I understand about the indigenous tribes and agree with your thoughts on them and their sereneness.

Loving:  Nuclear family, the notion that our Supreme responsibility is mom and dad to biological offspring. Jesus was nothing, if not an existential scream against such ideas. Love is not love, family is not family, if it has any boundaries whatsoever. Are there practical issues, issues of proximity? Of course! For most of my years I totally revered Dr King. But I couldn't understand how he continued his work that so endangered the very lives of his biological family! And then it hit me. He realized that every child was his child. Everyone was his family. And that's what Jesus died to teach us, to give us. Besides sex, there is nothing more than nuclear family that we use to justify our barbaric cruelty, neglect, abuse of those outside its borders.

R:  Thank you ... Your reference to Dr. King putting his family in danger made it very clear as to what you mean, what you are saying. I am afraid there are not enough of us (like you and your ilk) willing or I should say, able to bring ourselves to that level. While I know this is the only way to world peace and true Love of all mankind, I fear it is only a dream that wise men envision. Yes, Jesus died to teach us that and you can see how well we learned that lesson. Thank you, James, you give me so much to think about ....   

4.19.2014

pic. Jesus was a homeless advocate, for the homeless. That's what he was, pretty much. We 'followers' of Jesus, are what now?

Ohio couple married 70 years die 15 hours apart It was a love story that spanned decades. USA TODAY

It was a love story that spanned decades.
USA TODAY

***** Moyers, Krugman, Piketty. 4th Reich. Krugman: Worried About Oligarchy? You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet


Krugman: Worried About Oligarchy? You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet

'Even those of you who talk about the 1%, you don't really get what's going on. You're living in the past.'

- Jon Queally, staff writer 
 

Comment from a FB acquaintence: "James Mcginley thanks for everything you do. I truley

BF:  I'm just trying to do my best for my son and to not let the fear consume me. James Mcginley thanks for everything you do. I truley admire you, you are a real human angel!

Loving:  BF, what a kind note. I am honored by your sharing. We are to be Angels to one another, no? Everything less is failure, and oh, do I personally know failure; my own for most of my years. I'm improving. We need to bear the unspeakable fear and pain FOR our children, no? Just to the point it almost crushes us, because therein we find the greatest motivation and vision. But yes, do deal with all the unfolding horror, AND to have a child, the Ultimate difficulty. The only guidance I wish I'd had at the time, was, the top 10 priorities are: Find / create, a healthy Community; Find / Create a healthy community; Find.... And there are close to none, which is the source of all our problems. Thanks so much for sharing. I'll continue to do my best for us, for the joy of it.

4.18.2014

You can Worship Christian myth, or the Man Jesus, but YOU CAN'T DO BOTH. YOU CANNOT DO BOTH. I Adore Jesus above all others. The Crucifixion story(s) is deeply moving to me, always was. It is a complete fiction - virtually no one at the time, or since, knows anything about those three days except for one thing, and one thing only - he WAS crucified, and it is virtually certain he was NOT burried, etc, etc, etc.

You can Worship Christian myth, or the Man Jesus, but YOU CAN'T DO BOTH. YOU CANNOT DO BOTH. I Adore Jesus above all others. The Crucifixion story(s) is deeply moving to me, always was. It is a complete fiction - virtually no one at the time, or since, knows anything about those three days except for one thing, and one thing only - he WAS crucified, and it is virtually certain he was NOT burried, etc, etc, etc.
ST. GEORGE – In honor of Good Friday, Christians from various churches met at Bluff Street Park in St. George where the beginning of “The Way...
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I’ll give you a hint. It is not the ‘Hand of God’ that is sucking the life out of everything, US, Creation.... Greed Over People

I have lost the will to live in this society. I will NEVER lose my will to Serve, from my Soul, in Solidarity, our Global Neediest.

I have lost the will to live in this society. I will NEVER lose my will to Serve, from my Soul, in Solidarity, our Global Neediest.

All that keeps me going, all that literally gets me out of bed each day, is the vision of maybe being of use to others in need. It is a joy. I'd be dead without it. Come to think of it, we ARE Dead, without it

All that keeps me going, all that literally gets me out of bed each day, is the vision of maybe being of use to others in need. It is a joy. I'd be dead without it.  Come to think of it, we ARE Dead, without it

4.17.2014

In my Heart I've always known that the richest people I knew of were Jesus, MLK Jr, Gandhi, Teresa of Calcutta..... Sadly, it is only later in life that I've found the courage to say 'no' to society, and to pursue the Infinite Wealth of Joy, Meaning, Loving... that I always knew that they had. Better late than never. Better sooner than later.

In my Heart I've always known that the richest people I knew of were Jesus, MLK Jr, Gandhi, Teresa of Calcutta..... Sadly, it is only later in life that I've found the courage to say 'no' to society, and to pursue the Infinite Wealth of Joy, Meaning, Loving... that I always knew that they had. Better late than never. Better sooner than later.

Some people are so poor that all that they have is money. Some people are so rich that all that they have is Loving.

Some people are so poor that all that they have is money. Some people are so rich that all that they have is Loving.

I am totally about enlightened greed. I believed that heaven was possible on earth for each individual. I was entirely correct. It is found in each moment of forgetting self and racing to save others from hell on earth.

I am totally about enlightened greed. I believed that heaven was possible on earth for each individual. I was entirely correct. It is found in each moment of forgetting self and racing to save others from hell on earth.

There was no defeat of the Nazis possible without a massive army of world citizens totally committed to do so. There is no defeat of global warming and massive economic inequality without the same.

There was no defeat of the Nazis possible without a massive army of world citizens totally committed to do so. There is no defeat of global warming and massive economic inequality without the same.

It is not the profound ignorance Republicans that makes them so deadly. It is their fierce commitment to remain ignorant that does.

It is not the profound ignorance Republicans that makes them so deadly. It is their fierce commitment to remain ignorant that does.

4.13.2014

'Loving, accept what housing is available to you..., PLEASE' (Advice from some Dear friends)

 To some very Loving friends that have expressed some concerns with yesterday's
posts (here, and here):

*  Who knows what Jesus meant (if He said it), when He said, "Render unto
Caesar what is Caesar's, and render unto God what is God's."  But to me
it is clear, in my Heart, it has become clear.  LOL.  EVERYTHING is the
Creator's!  NOTHING IS Caesar's, OURS, except to use for Her, Creator's, Work.

*  On top of that, I'm not entitled to that Social Security, it is 'mine' purely because
of an accident of birth - I was born white, male... to
massively endowed parents, in a massively
wealthy suburb... and not in Newark, NJ, the blighted ghetto's of any US city,
not Bangladesh, India, Nigeria... not urban Texas....

*  We 'Good' people have tried forever to 'take care of ourselves' so we can take
care of others, right?  It makes sense!  But it isn't working.  It isn't Solidarity.
It isn't Loving.  It isn't working.  I need to see what Solidarity can do, I think.

*  Housing IS a Right, IS Right... before the Creator,
but Amerika is NOT holding itself before God, OF the Creator, it is not.  It is
holding itself SQUARELY before Satan - Evil - Mammon.  Yes, I a Senior,
with Soc Sec... have access to that Right... and what of those here of color,
under 62, no Soc Sec?  A Father, a Brother... does not leave his Family
on a sinking ship, does he?  Solidarity shares in, does not leave.

*  Yes, maybe my Godly brother would provide me work so I I could avoid the 30% loss of
with Early Retirement on Soc Sec.  We need those funds now.  If I see a
viable strategy emerge for holding onto the Senate, and winning back some
of the House... WE NEED TO FUND THAT, NOW.  2014 may be the most
decisive election in world history.  That doctor in Africa needs funds, now.
A few other sheros and heroes of loving.. need funding now, for their work.
And, the Creator, Creation, Humanity... need me to remain full time in my
puny efforts fighting for what is Good.  Part time won't cut it.

And, there are some hugely worthy guys here in the shelter, victims of abuse,
theft...  I may be able to help a few, selectively, with funds. And, LOL, there
are a few churches that come here to the shelter and serve, and do AMAZING
work - those funds can help their work....  The needs have no time for me
to wait.

*  I need to remain safe, to serve?  1.  I'm making no difference, of any
consequence.  2.  Solidarity is what we've been missing, I think, for the
sake of reasonable 'safety.'  We can't spread Solidarity by abandoning it.

4.12.2014

Loving, where will you go after the homeless shelter? (from a note to a friend)

I am awed and humbled to be any small part of your life.  And if I
am ever some small help, as you say I've been, well, I don't get
it, but I sure am glad.

Where will I go when I leave the shelter?  This is pretty interesting
to me, and pretty amazing, as the Creator is Teaching me, here,
now, through working through all these life changes, adjustments....

This shelter is a godsend to me right now.  I'm of virtually zero value
to anyone, or anything on earth, right now... despite devoting every waking
second to the contrary - I can't get any purchase, any traction, make
any difference.  This is the most crushing thing in my life, personally.
But there it is. 

In part due to this, to be somewhere, where near zero resources
are consumed by my existence, well, I couldn't bear, I couldn't  survive anything
but this.  I consume the floor space allocated to 1/2 mattress (bunk bed),
one meal per day (what, $2 a day in cost to humanity, the other meal
each day from dumpster-diving kind of stuff), among 250
African American men 50 years and older who are among the survivors
of the chronic, deadly, psychic and material abuse and starvation that is the
lot of minorities, the poor, in the US... and I'm free to follow the Creator's,
Creation's... path for me, spoken of somewhat in today's earlier email...
being in this shelter is virtually perfect for me - a Godsend.

And it is closing sometime in the next 9-18 months based on news
and word on the street - being torn down for high rent space.  Stark
word of this about a month ago was quite a shock and alarm to me.
It sent me into a tizzy of activity - to approach tapping my Social
Security, early (I'm 62), and go thru the steps available to me as a
Senior, with Social Security (at 2x the poverty level) to get subsidized
housing, here in DC!  Salvation.  I could probably secure something
in time!

And then, thank CREATOR, it hit me.  No, you ain't takin some lifeboat
due to your 'privilege' (over-resourced upbringing, Senior status...) ...
a lifeboat unavailable to some others in the shelter - without Social Security,
not white, under 62....  No, that ain't gunna happen.

So, I've cancelled all those efforts...

So... I don't know what will happen to me, us.  We were pretty much told
here that some of us would be moved well out of the city (out of sight)
to a shelter... and for the rest of us, lots of prisons are being built
every day for we increasingly criminalized poor.

I've found that Loving has a number of synonyms - one of them being -
Solidarity.  If it is NOT Solidarity, it is NOT Loving.  I expect to live in
Solidarity with the lot of the most disadvantaged of those here in the
shelter. It is not a pretty outlook for them in this new Amerika - of, by
and for the rich.  So, materially, it is not a pretty outlook for me, and
that is how I expect it will be.  I'll not have it any other way, I expect.

I DO expect to begin activating my early retirement, as I told you 6 months ago
I expected to do, and some small portion of that, occasionally, I'll send to you,
to lessen your struggles a tiny bit, that agonize me so.  SPARE ME THE OBJECTION -
burn it if you like, give it away if you like.  But, if you are doing the
Creator's will, as I think you are trying to do, then you will NOT
disrespect the Creator, and you will use what tiny funds I can on
rare occasions send, in support of your efforts. 

The retirement funds, I expect to use to fund Loving, those few
places I think it is being done - there is a clinic, in Africa (I think?),
where sheroic work is done by a lady doctor serving outcast women
suffering with the blight of fistulas, for example...

I'll keep a few $, literally, per day for 'office space rent,'
he he he, coffee and tip for a coffee shop
that is happy to have me sit there and work from time to time; if my
computer breaks, I'll retain $ that month to fix it, but other than that...
my life, my work, can't find traction... but there are others that are Loving who's
lives HAVE found traction... and I'll use my funds to support them in
their work.

((((HUGS))))
--------------- COMMENTS ON FB TO THE ABOVE -----------

SH:  Wow!

RC:  ve touched my life and many others. To me that is "traction" even though it is not on a scale you would like it to be. If all of us could reach out as you have, to many unknown people, and touch some reaction in their lives, what a great thing that would be. Sadly, we don't all have your skills and your ability to find all the info you find and share so that many of us are kept well informed. That to me means your life is solid 'traction' and I just want you to know that you have succeded (perhaps not the way you expected) in changing our world. One step at a time is more than most accomplish. It scares me to think of you without your shelter but know when that time comes you will not be alone and many of us will be standing by to do what ever humble thing we can do to help. 

KG:  I still hope you will do your work from a small farm in upstate NY!
My house goes on the market in June!


Loving:  RC, there, you've made me cry. You are so kind, and good, to me, always. I don't discount what you say - how can my life mean nothing if you say that in some small way it has helped you? It is like this - my toddler is suddenly in the middle of the highway, and I can only get part way there before she is hit, despite all my efforts - I've DONE NOTHING - in that case. Humanity is my toddler. Creation is my toddler - that's how I experience it; and I can't get her out of danger in time. I pray you understand, and don't think I"m not touched by your kindness, and Loving. I am.

Loving:  KG, the only thing I EVER know about me is that with each breath, with the next breath, I'll do WHATEVER I understand Creation wants / needs of me; WHATEVER the Creator wants of me; WHATEVER can best serve Creation, Humanity. What will that be tomorrow, next week, next month...? It will be what it will be. Know this, you and Beth (pls tell her for me), numerous times now you two have offered me a place to live, and do my work. At the moment, I'm on pretty solid shores, per my earlier status, post, of today, but not that many weeks, months, ago you made this unspeakably Humane offer when I was on much shaker ground Spiritually, physically.... I can't possibly express adequately what a Godsend of Loving your offer was, is, to me, a stepping-stone of Goodness to help me along the path; that the Creator makes pretty difficult for me often times! Argh. LOL. (((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))

KG:  (((Hugs)))) you will always have a place as long as I have a beating heart! Always! I respect and honor that you have a higher path then most. One day that path may lead you to my door and I will with a happy heart welcome you in. ((( hugs)))   

SS:   I sent you a note. I'm with Kathy

Loving:  SS, what can I say?  Heart, Heart, Heart.  Whatever Creation, the Creator says, I'll do.  Bless your Heart.  Time only knows.  

SS:  We'll see. But you're not homeless.

Loving:  :-)  Heart.   I am, until Creator says otherwise, but I Hear you, Deeply. Bless your Hearts. Maybe we are becoming Family, some of us. By whatever name, Universal Family, is the only Cure for what is killing everything.  

 

****** An update on Loving (part of a note to a friend):

Living on the Titanic after it hit the berg would be a nightmare, right?
That's where I live, cept it isn't the Titanic, it is earth, and it isn't one
berg, it is two - Life support collapse thru fossil fuels and the death
of US democracy, sold out to the highest bidders - Walton's, Koch's,
Corp(ses)....

With your recent Fed encounter, I feel you are experiencing some of that
2nd berg with your recent trauma. Up until several months
ago I had the deepest of affinities with our men and women in uniform.
Then, it changed.  Why?  It hit me - I'm not a white male in a business suit
any more (see article here
for just a glimpse of what is going on

throughout the nation re we poor); and that we have, and always have
had, not one, but two uniformed forces in this country (same people):
1 for the rich and middle class; another for the poor (the majority).  The
first force is Friend to the rich and middle class, EXACTLY by being
foe to the poor - keeping we prisoners under control.  Sorry if this sounds
conspiracy theory stuff - it is not - it is poetically expressing obvious
reality. 

Occasionally, in officer strewn DC, when I pass an officer or
two, or a gaggle of them, I'll stop and comment, with respect and affection
that they can see plainly - 'gentlemen, you are soon likely to determine
the fate of this country.  They are going to send you for us, we the
people, and unless you say, no, not them, we are going for the
bankers, and republicans in congress... it is over.'  That's the now Fatal truth,
unless there is a Miracle awakening starting with the 2014 election.
(Even the likes of that amazing Eliz Warren can't save us, by
herself.)

Dealing with the above, sorting thru it, facing it, embracing the Truth
of it... has been one of the two darkest times of my life.  What Saved
me the first time, and recently, I think, this time, was realizing - ok,
you can't see how to fix this... so what are you going to do?  'BE LOVING,'
is the answer.  Sound silly?  LOL.  'Loving,' I can see how to do that,
how to more and more 'incarnate' that,
in pitifully small and insignificant ways, that to anyone else looks like
insane meaninglessness, waste of time, waste of life, even irresponsibility...
but to me, and the Creator, is Loving.  I guess I'm doing
3 things, with Every breath, 7 days a week:

1.  I keep myself current on the pains of the world, and work to update
others, on my FaceBook .page. For a variety of reasons my blog gets
near zero of my time anymore; and all goes to FB.

2.  I'm 9 months into studying the scholarship that near drowns me in it's rigor,
on the historical, academically historical, Jesus, and early following
of Jesus.  Why?  I've thought that if anyone could save us today,
from the above, it is Jesus, the man, not the myth or made-up stuff.
I've felt almost clueless for most of this study... because I found the
scholarship near impenetrable ... but all of a sudden the mosaic is coming
into focus.  My life's path, the direction I've found to serve... is so much
what He found so long ago.  Only several days ago it crystallized for me
this way -
Ubuntu
Blogger
Jesus' Economy

3.  And these, above, finding out what they mean for me, how
I am to be them, how I am to, live, to model, to teach them... will be my path going
forward.  As silly as it may seem, I think Jesus would scream,
to the following, and the one above, YES, THAT'S IT!  IT'S THE ECONOMY
STUPID; it's what we spend our lives on, our personal, and collective, Economy:


Aboriginal tribes, native americans, pre-agrarian societies had
infinitely more the Economy that the Creator intended - Serving
people rather than Serving $$$$.

Well, blah, blah, blah....  That's an update on me.

REMEMBER, TELL ME HOW I CAN HELP.

(((((HUGS)))))   [[[[ post 2 from today ]]]]

3.28.2014

Science vs Religion (thinking of the recent Nye vs Creationist debate): Have you ever been watching a movie for the first time and someone starts to whisper how it ends, and you say I DON"T WANT TO KNOW! ? Sure you have, me too. You like the feeling of being in the story, in the fantasy, for the several hours, me too. Most in organized religion have decided to Live the Fantasy of their religion - they find it exciting, meaningful, comforting, affirming, providing community.... My point isn't to defend the fundamentalists - I have zero affinity with them. But surely, if they want to make of their life a fantasy, that is there choice! Nye, and the Left, does not seem to have a clue that this is going on with these folks. Nye, and the Left, has chosen to make the bedrock of his life science, objective fact, objective, measurable reality. The Religionists have chosen fantasy. There is no basis for these two sides finding a shared vision or common set of beliefs. The Left refuses to see this, as does the Right. I'm amazed and concerned at the universal blindness on the Left regarding this;; I expect it on the Right because they've chosen fantasy.

Science vs Religion (thinking of the recent Nye vs Creationist debate):  Have you ever been watching a movie for the first time and someone starts to whisper how it ends, and you say I DON"T WANT TO KNOW! ?  Sure you have, me too. You like the feeling of being in the story, in the fantasy, for the several hours, me too.  Most in organized religion have decided to Live the Fantasy of their religion - they find it exciting, meaningful, comforting, affirming, providing community....  My point isn't to defend the fundamentalists - I have zero affinity with them.  But surely, if they want to make of their life a fantasy, that is there choice!  Nye, and the Left, does not seem to have a clue that this is going on with these folks. Nye, and the Left, has chosen to make the bedrock of his life science, objective fact, objective, measurable reality.  The Religionists have chosen fantasy.  There is no basis for these two sides finding a shared vision or common set of beliefs.  The Left refuses to see this, as does the Right.  I'm amazed and concerned at the universal blindness on the Left regarding this;; I expect it on the Right because they've chosen fantasy.