5 Ways We Can Teach Men Not to Rape
www.ebony.com- Cathy: This is bullshit! Rape is not about how women dress or act. Rape is about MEN WHO RAPE!
Start Loving Cathy, by virtue of this fine article you are patently incorrect. Central to the article is that men, starting with boys, ARE TAUGHT. Women don't have a role in that? Positive and or Negative. That is patently absurd. Do women want rape to stop? Seems not. They want it to stop on absurd terms. I'll not be a coward and repeat what is in bold, multiple times at the top of my post on this.- Cathy: Your interpretation of this article is incorrect, Start, as is your understanding of rape, which you claim in not about power. Rape is about ABSOLUTE POWER in the form of ASSAULT. It is not SEX. And while I am horrified with what young girls are wearing or not wearing, that is not an invitation to be drugged, attacked violently and/or be subjected to disease and possible death. The article does not suggest that what women are wearing is a factor... that is only in your comments. Women in burqas get raped. Of course women have to teach boys to respect women as should their FATHERS. That's a much bigger picture and longer discussion. Here's any easy thing for women and men to say to their sons: DO NOT RAPE ANYONE! You "liked" this post so I will post it again: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151584715776275&set=a.180479986274.135777.177486166274&type=1&theater
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By: Being Liberal - Cathy: And, why do you keep inviting people to hate you? Is that what disagreeing looks like to you?
- Start Loving My interpretation of this article is that it is substantially about education. I agree. None of us can escape educating others - the only variables are subject matter, direction and degree. With no waking breath of our lives can we escape it. I am unconditional in my opposition to rape. I want it to stop. You are conditional in your opposition - you are opposed to it happening, but any role that female behavior has in it is off the table for discussion, consideration. Ok. Not so for me. And if you tell me you would not advise your son to keep his money in his pocket, rather than in his hand, flashing it around, as he walks to school, on the basis that NO ONE SHOULD ROB MY SON, well, then you are consistent in what you are arguing to me here, somewhat. Women that dress like sex objects, talk like sex objects, act like sex objects, are among the 'teachers' of men as how to view them. This is indisputable. The article correctly attests to the fact that what men are taught influences what they will do. This cannot be disputed based on any fact based dimension. It cannot. As to whether it is an act of power, or as I say, to get high, well, if you want to argue, or view, that a crack addict murdering to get a fix is an act of power, well, then you are at least consistent in your argument / attack on me (not my views, so much, but the fact that I've dared to express them.) As to "inviting" folks to hate me? I do not invite it. I acknowledge it, as an emphasis on how important it is to women's safety, in this case, enough so that I'm willing do draw hate (which so far I have on this, from two I considered good friends), a price I'm willing to pay on such an important issue, and now have. And I have zero regrets. My opposition to Rape is unconditional, unlike pretty much everyone else, from what I can see.
- Cathy: I have said that I hate it when girls and women dress like "sluts" and I agree that it doesn't teach boys respect. I do agree that we should teach them that there are potential consequences to their behavior, as with boys flashing money around, however, there is a difference between attracting attention and inviting violence. This seems to be where we disagree although we do not disagree that there is no excuse for rape. Finally, when you say, "You (the public 'you') wanna hate me over this? I'm totally fine with that." That sounds like an invitation to me, but I do not accept the invitation and never will. —Your sister, whether you like it or not!
- Start Loving I am profoundly pleased with the return of our dialog to one of mutual respect (it seems to me), and therefore, with the prospect of mutually pursuing constructive Truth (that which Gandhi said was the one thing worth dying for, instantly, if need be, as the basis for ALL HOPE. I agree with Gandhi, as did my ultimate heroes, sheroes, of unviolent action - Alice Paul and her sisters for whom pressing the Truth had zero price that was too high for them to pay. You've seen Iron Jawed Angels, read, A Women's Crusade, read IRON JAWED ANGELS, etc? Makes even Gandhi and his soldiers look like cub scouts. Breathtaking humanity.) If you ever find, observe, know of anything less from me, than RESPECT, ever, under any circumstances, you will know me to be a fraud. There is never, under any circumstances, an 'excuse' for rape, sons being robbed, people being killed for a heroine fix.... Period. But NOT the end of conversation, as we seem now to maybe be able to consider. I don't want my son raised on a block with bars, liquor stores, drug dealers, pimps, prostitutes, gangsters, investment bankers, the uber rich..., all for the same reason - it is all educative in a deadly, Soul destroying way, and it is immediate, proximate, temptation, invitation (express, implied or intended or not), and risk. If in the context of any of these intolerable things, "there is a difference between attracting attention and inviting violence," I can't see it. I don't want my son flashing those bills, regardless of which it invokes, attention or invitation to violence, in an observer, because they both increase the inexcusable likelihood of him being mugged. Your brother, unconditionally, forever, no matter what, Loving (what I go by)1 like (Cathy)Start Loving: (heart)
Start Loving Also, as to Sheroes, if you've not read Diane Wilson's An Unreasonable Woman, you've deprived yourself of knowing one of our only living Sheroes of the caliber of Alice Paul and her sisters. Here's a taste, but read the book - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL603B14CBBE007E7E
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